Deep AncestryBy Peter Biggins |
Updated April 15, 2026 | ![]() |
James Berles, Cathi Biggins, Sean Biggins, Roger Byrne, Michael Patrick Carroll, Maureen Lyons Carroll, Paul Drueke, Michael McDonnel, Sheila Carroll Krippner, Marc Matthews, Maureen O'Brien, Leo O'Brien, and N. J. Sharkey contributed to this story.
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Genetic genealogy can tell us about the deep ancestry of our ancestors and, in some case, which tribe or sept our ancestors came from. This story addresses the deep ancestry of Peter and Marilyn Carroll Biggins and their family through the use of Y-chromosome DNA, tested by Family Tree DNA. Y-DNA is passed down from father to son, much like surnames. By testing a living male, we can learn about the deep ancestry of his paternal line. Testing can also help determine how closely two people are related. |
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A-PR2921
(Y-Adam) 232000 BC Cameroon 712,000 Testers IJK-L15 45000 BC Southern Iran 614,000 T |
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I-M223 14000 BC Southern Germany 21,600 T Cruithne I-L1195 4200 BC Ulster 3,700 T Dal nAraidi I-FTT7 400 AD Ulster 74 T Y63570 1050 AD Ulster 16 T BY75184 1350 AD Ulster 5 T |
K-M9 43000 BC Western Pakistan 414,000 T P-P226 30000 BC Eastern Mongolia 369,000 T R-M173 20000 BC Eastern Kazakhstan 356,000 T |
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M420 15000 BC Southern Russia 59,600 T "Viking" FGC11896 1200 AD Scotland 227 T Angus Og and Clan Donald |
M343 17000 BC Uzbekistan 296,000 T M269 4450 BC Southern Russia 292,000 T L151 3050 BC Ukraine 272,000 T |
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| P312 2900 BC Southern Germany 170,000 T "Proto-Celtic" | U106 3000 BC Western Poland 72,400 T "Saxon" |
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| L21 2700 BC Southern England 92,600 T "Celtic" | DF27 2700 BC Pyrenees 37,600 T "Celtic" |
U152 2650 BC Italy 31,200 T |
Z18 2300 BC Scandi- navia 8,300 T | Z381 2700 BC Northern Germany 53,400 T |
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| DF21 2350 BC England 9,900 T |
CTS4466 250 BC Munster 4,300 T S1121 200 AD 1,800 T Eoganacht |
Z253 2400 BC England 12,200 T |
DF41 1900 BC England 2,300 T |
Z2961 2050 BC England 17,700 T |
Z195 2650 BC Pyrenees 23.300 T M153 600 BC 364 T Basque |
ZZ19 2450 BC Pyrenees 4,100 T |
DF98 2000 BC 2,600 T L1271 1300 AD 6 T House of Wettin |
Z301 2550 BC 40,400 T |
Z307 2250 BC 9,300 T |
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| Z3008 450 AD England 837 T Colla Uais Ulster Carthend S953 500 AD Tirkeeran 292 T |
Z16291 100 AD Munster 307 T Ely Carroll BY20010 1150 AD 14 T Charles Carroll of Carrollton |
L226 150 AD Munster 2,000 T DC782 900 AD 114 T Brian Boru |
FTT74
50 AD England 338 T | A600 1700 BC 29 T England |
L745 1150 AD 380 T Scotland House of Stuart Charles II ordered Kings Highway |
M222 100 BC 16,400 T Ulster S588 300 AD 2,500 T FGC57780 650 AD 81 T Cen l Moain |
FGC6550 550 AD 113 T Ulster Hy Maine |
Y5058 100 AD 537 T Breassal Breac Y5061 500 AD Leinster 355 T |
Z2571 2350 BC 1,075 T |
U198 1800 BC 5,600 T |
L48 2450 BC 33,200 T CTS10893 850 BC 2,400 T |
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| FTA14037 1750 AD Down 2 T |
BY3164 1400 AD Ulster 7 T |
Y5610 1050 AD Munster 85 T |
FTC- 82590 300 AD England 4 T |
BY23501 750 AD England 3 T |
BY18200 1450 AD Ulster 3 T |
FT79210 1150 AD Leinster 8 T |
BY142791 1700 AD Cavan 2 T |
BY3323 400 BC Old Saxony 11 T |
BY62081 1500 AD England 7 T |
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| Patrick H. Byrne
1835 AD Down |
Patrick Beggan 1807 AD Drumgill, Cavan |
Michael O'Brien 1815 AD Brough, Cork |
Adam Berles 1794 AD Landen- beck, West- phalia |
Wlliam Mathews 1644 AD Wales |
Daniel McDonald 1813 Ireland |
Edmond Carroll 1835 AD Bally- neety, Limerick |
Galligan | Johann Druecke (Boerger) 1743 AD Elspe, West- phalia |
Cluster 1 Baldwin Project |
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| Roger Byrne kit 208416 |
Peter Biggins kit 127469 |
Leo O'Brien kit 197598 |
James Berles kit 1019704 |
Marc Matthews kit 116493 |
Michael McDonnel kit 252843 |
Michael Carroll kit 198624 |
Paul Drueke kit 230496 |
Cluster 1 Baldwin Project |
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The year shown is a rough estimate by Family Tree DNA of the year the SNP was born. "T" is the number of testers at Family Tree DNA. |
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Portions of this tree are attributable to Myths, Legends and DNA, an attempt to reconcile the current archeological evidence and genealogical DNA evidence with Ireland's mythical origins, by N. J. Sharkey, 2023 revised.
| Paternal Ancestor Birth Year, Place |
Male Tested Relationship |
Kit # Test |
Haplogroup SNPs |
FTDNA Projects | Comments |
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| Patrick Beggan/Biggins 1807, Drumgill, County Cavan, Ireland |
Peter Biggins | 127469 Big Y-700 |
R-M269, L151, P312, L21, DF21, S971, F24434, Z3000, Z3006, Z3008, S953, ZZ13, FT14481, BY3164 (1400 AD). See Biggins Deep Ancestry |
Biggins, Clan Colla, DF21, Null 425 |
Sean's and Peter's ancestors had farms across the road from each other in Will County, Illinois, southwest of Chicago. The name Biggins comes from beag, the Irish for little. BY3164 Biggins DNA includes people named Beggan, Beaghen, Bigham, and Little. See Biggins/Beggan Irish Roots. Sean's DNA matches Peter's, but it is not so close as to suggest that their ancestors were brothers or first cousins. Sean shares a SNP named FT17167 with Eric Began whose ancestor Michael Beggan was born in County Fermanagh in 1781. Peter does not have this SNP. Z3008 is the DNA of The Three Collas, brothers who lived in 4th century Ulster. BY3164 descends from brother Colla Uais and his grandson Carthend. Carthend lived in County Derry in the 5th century on the Faughan River in an area that was later called a barony and named Tirkeeran. The name Tirkeeran comes from the Irish T r Mhic Caoirthinn, which means land of Carthend. See: Z3000 The Three Collas and Faughan River |
| James Biggins 1822, County Monaghan, Ireland |
Sean Biggins, whose ancestor lived across the road from Peter's ancestor Patrick in Illinois | 146867 Big Y-700 |
R-M269, L151, P312, L21, DF21, S971, F24434, Z3000, Z3006, Z3008, S953, ZZ13, FT14481, BY3164 (1400 AD), FT17167 (1400 AD) | Biggins, Clan Colla, DF21, Null 425 |
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| Johann Druecke (Boerger) 1743, Elspe, Westphalia, Germany |
Paul Charles Drueke, first cousin of Peter | 230496 Big Y-700 |
R-M269, L151, U106 Saxon, Z301, L48, Z9, Z30, Z27 Z345, Z2, Z7, CTS10893, A6389, BY3323 (400 BC) |
Drueke, U106, Germany, Anglo-Saxon |
Paul has few DNA matches and none later then 400 BC. He matches men from England (Arnold, Bennett, Ozment, Phipps, Scott, Self, Wooten, Wright), Wales (Ellis, Price), Scotland (Armstrong, Reed, Russell), and Ireland (Moore). Many people with English names have Germanic origins. The term Anglo-Saxon is used by some historians to designate the Germanic tribes who invaded and settled the south and east of Britain from the early 5th century up to the Norman conquest in 1066. Our ancestor is from the far southern part of Old Saxony. See BY3323 Saxon |
| Adam Berles 1794, Landenbeck, Westphalia, Germany |
James Berles, third cousin of Peter, once removed | 1019704 Big Y-700 | R-M269, L151, P312 Celtic, L21, Z253, FGC3268, FTC82590 (300 AD) | MGS | Landenbeck is 16 miles northeast of Elspe, where Johann Druecke is from, in Westphalia, Germany, which was part of Old Saxony. James' closest matches are people whose ancestors are from Scotland and Ireland. Berles Y-DNA is Celtic. Drueke Y-DNA is Saxon. There are almost as many Celts in Germany as Saxons. |
| William Mathews 1644, Wales |
Marc Thomas Matthews, second cousin of Peter | 116493 Big Y-700 |
R-M269, L151, P312, L21, DF41, S775, A600, BY23501 (750 AD) |
Matthews, L21, DF41/CTS2501 |
Marc and Peter are great grandchildren of William Peter and Elizabeth Berles Drueke. From S775 are also descended the Royal Stuarts of Scotland and England |
| Edmond Carroll 1835, Ballyneety, Limerick, Ireland |
Michael Patrick Carroll, second cousin of Marilyn, once removed | 198624 Big Y-700 |
R-M269, L151, P312, DF27, Y5058/A641, Y5061, FT44660, BY61861, FT79210 (1150 AD) |
Carroll, Breassal Breac, DF27, McCarville | Michael's DNA matches Ryan, O'Dwyer, Lee/Leary, Gorman, and Kennedy, as well as Carroll. These families descend from Breassal Breac who lived in Leinster around 200 or 100 BC. They settled in the 13th or 14th century in County Tipperary and County Limerick. DF27 DNA is the Gascon & Iberian branch of R-P312. See Y5058 Breassal Breac. |
| Daniel McDonald 1813, Ireland |
Michael McDonnel, third cousin of Marilyn, once removed | 252843 Big Y-700 |
R-M269, L151, P312, L21, M222, S658, DF104, DF105, S588, S603, FGC57780, FGC23592, FT120288, BY216377 (1150 AD). | Gormley, Cenel Eoghain, Clan Donald (&LSP8J), M222 | Michael's BY216377 DNA is associated with a group called Cenel Moain (FGC57780), a subset of Cenel Eoghain (S588), a subset of Northwest Irish (M222). Northwest Irish was originally identified in a Trinity College Study and said to be descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages, who lived in Ireland in the 4th/5th century. See: FGC57780 Cenel Moain |
| Thomas Foy 1800, Derreennascooba, Mayo, Ireland |
None. Looking for a distant Foy cousin of Peter | Foy, Fay, Hunt | There may be a possible tester among descendants, but none has been identified yet. See Foy/Fee Irish Roots. | ||
| John Francis Flannery 1788, Derreenmanus, Mayo Ireland |
None. Looking for a distant Flannery cousin of Marilyn | Not tested but could be R-M269, L151, P312, L21, R-M222 100 BC | Flannery | Flannery Clan sponsors a Flannery DNA project at Family Tree DNA. The Aglish (Castlebar) Cluster in the Flannery project includes two testers who have ancestors from the townland of Sarnaught, which is nearby Derreenmanus: kits 36430 and 221086. The testers in this cluster have done only minimal testing (Y37) and are projected by FTDNA to have a mutation called R-M269, born around 4450 BC. The Aglish Cluster resembles the "Irish Modal Haplotype." Testers with this haplotype have a later mutation called R-M222, born around 100 BC. No descendants of John Flannery are known to have been tested yet. If you are or know a male Flannery descendant, you may want to consider testing at Family Tree DNA. FTDNA has the largest DNA database in the field. The Flannery Clan Y-DNA Project, however, is not recommended because it limits testing to Y-37 because it was started when that was the maximum testing. Instead, it is recommended that you join the R-M222 Project and test Big Y-700. | |
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| Patrick H. Byrne 1835, Ireland |
Roger Byrne (1962-2021), husband of daughter Carroll | 208416 Big Y-700 |
I-M223, P222, CTS616, FGC15071, M284, L1195, L126, FGC20063, FT2393, S7753, Y4142, Y4751, FTT7, BY3610, Y63570, BY75184, BY93599, FTA14037 (1750 AD) |
Byrne, M223, Null 425 |
Roger shares FTA14037, born around 1750 AD, with a Donald Austin Byrne (1934-2017), kit 338826, whose oldest known Byrne ancestor is Austin Thomas Byrne (1859, Dublin), born in Dublin. He also matches closely with three testers named McGivern, which is associated with Rostrevor, County Down. Byrne may be a form of McGivern. I-M223 was born in 14000 BC in Southern Germany. I-L1195 was one of the first inhabitants of Ireland, around 4150 BC in Ulster. His people became known as the D l nAraidi. They may be the Darini who appear on Ptolemy's map of Ireland. |
| Michael O'Brien 1815, Brough, County Cork, Ireland |
Leo O'Brien, uncle-in-law of son Edward | 197598 Big Y-700 |
R-M269, L151, P312, L21, Z253, L226, FGC5660, Z17669, ZZ31, FGC5628, FGC5623, FGC5659, ZZ34, DC782, Y5610 (1050 AD) | O'Brien, L226 |
Leo shares Y5610 (1050 AD) with Conor Myles John O'Brien of Dromoland Castle who traces his ancestry back to Brian Boru. Brian Boru was born circa 940 in what is now County Clare and died in the Battle of Clontarf, north of Dublin, on April 23, 1014. See Irish Type III DNA. L226 DNA type also is called Dalcassian and Irish Type III. See DC782 Brian Boru DNA |
Hopefully, we will learn more about our deep ancestry through testing of more family members.
By Dr. Iain McDonald, Jodrell Bank Centre for Astrophysics, Alan Turing Building, The University of Manchester, Manchester, England
The following came from an email sent by Iain on July 16, 2025.
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Let's go back to basics so that anyone rusty is back up to speed. :)
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